Jim Traynor: Sporting integrity? What about Journalistic integrity?

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So James Traynor has started his new job as Head of Communications with an article that continues where he left off with the Daily Record – but this time he is being paid directly by Rangers Football Club to write the pro-Rangers rhetoric he has been peddling for months.

His first article was typical of the new Rangers mentality – attack, deflect and threaten.

He started his debut piece by talking briefly about the league reconstruction proposals, which had been agreed in principle today.

But it soon turned into the all too frequent rhetoric that emanates from Ibrox Park since Charles Green took charge, targeting those clubs who chose sporting integrity over a club who chose to run up huge debt in their quest to buy domestic and European glory. A club who boast about being debt free when businesses across Scotland and even in England have to come to terms with losing money that they worked hard for and were never repaid. From face painters to local garages to charities to the ambulance service and that is before we get to the debt that they owe HMRC – the small tax case.

Now Traynor and his media cronies at Ibrox are trying to take the moral high ground over clubs in the top-tier choosing now to think of their finances over their fans.

Traynor stated on the official Rangers website: “Whatever happened to that new and bold notion that fans were all important? It isn’t that long ago clubs, particularly those in the top flight, were solemnly insisting that ignoring the views of fans would be akin to financial suicide.

“Remember? It was when the game was wrestling with the problem of what to do with Rangers. All the clubs were squealing that the wishes of fans had to be granted. If you swallowed any of that bilge you probably also believed in sporting integrity.

“Of course it was all nonsense. Sporting Integrity was a cloak of convenience, albeit a rather thin, practically transparent one, behind which club leaders huddled together to come up with sanctions.”

Rangers were punished by the Scottish Premier League – not because of the club’s failure to pay their tax bill, nor their failure to pay the small businesses the money that they desperately needed to pay their own bills – but for breaching SPL rules in regards to going into administration and then liquidation.

The issue of EBTs and dual contracts that Rangers utilised during their time in the Scottish Premier League is still to be ruled on by the top flight’s governing body – despite the calls from Ibrox to cull the investigation because they won the first tier tax tribunal, an investigation that they themselves have boycotted because they claim that it has no jurisdiction over the club now.

Even Traynor stated that the club deserved to be punished, he added: “Rangers had to be punished, they deserved to be punished but it seemed as if additional penalties were being randomly introduced depending on who was in which meeting.

“Many Rangers fans like to think the frenzy to cause the club as much additional pain as possible was driven by one club but that wasn’t strictly the case. Many fans of many clubs waded in but this is not to say Celtic fans or their club didn’t attempt to influence the outcome of debates on Rangers and possible sanctions.

“Of course they did. And they are still at it on social media sites and on blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate.”

And there we have it Traynor targeting those on social media sites and blogs. Blogs and those on social media sites don’t have the benefit of his huge wealth of journalistic experience of 37 years. Not to mention 37 years of having our work looked at and edited by sub-editors.

Traynor looks upon social media and blogs as the anti-christ, but with the whole newspaper industry evolving to utilise blogs, social media and the internet – the likes of Traynor are dinosaurs and refuse to evolve with new advances.

Answer me this what major company in the world, even a football club, has a Head of Communications who does not utilise every aspect of media to promote themselves, be it Facebook, twitter, blogs etc.

Of course he will have his lackeys using these social media sites to promote articles, to promote interviews even to promote Traynor’s opinion pieces – while he continues to peddle his hatred for all things social media.

Traynor then delves into rhetoric, that would not be out-of-place in any one of the Rangers blogs that match his definition ‘social media sites and on blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate’. Even a former journalist pickled with the ‘water of life’ – who has decidedly more journalism experience than Traynor – is in need of a good sub-editor. Even when churning out articles hand fed to him by ‘pals’.

He continued: “This club, the biggest one in the country, were not invited to take part in talks which will shape the game’s future. We are then entitled to conclude that this club are not important, which is strange indeed when so many fans of other clubs continue to be obsessed by Rangers, who are simply getting on with their own affairs asking no favour from anyone. We do, however, expect commonsense to be applied, along with fair play.”

Fair play? Can you see me hysterically laughing? If not imagine it because after reading that last sentence that is indeed what I am doing.

Are Rangers simply getting on with their own affairs? No. Every week they round on someone or some club for having the gall to speak their mind. They demand apologies, they boycott matches, they demand to names be published of individuals in hearings when they know full well who sat on them.

As for fair play? Huge debt to buy titles, the alleged misuse of EBTs and dual contracts still to be ruled on by the SPL not to mention on the field of play with players and former players giving fair play a bad name. Kyle Lafferty anyone? Madjid Bougherra and Steven Whittaker manhandling referees? Lee McCulloch leading with his elbows and even Ian Black who ran to the papers asking for referees to give him protection from the big bad part timers of Division Three who were not scared to put in the boot to the former Inverness Caley Thistle and Hearts hatchet man.

Of course, all clubs have their divers, their players who lead with their elbows and who demand protection when they also stick the boot in – but are these clubs trying to take the moral highground?

He continued: “….Rangers will return to the top flight, which will of course have to be rebranded. Rangers will take a seat at the head of the table where, despite the latest insult of being shut out of reconstruction talks, we will act with the good of Scottish football in mind.

“We’ll work through the divisions and we will return stronger and better than ever before.”

The same lines that chief executive Charles Green has peddled since they were blocked entry into the SPL and entered the Third Division.

Traynor continued: “This club accepted their sanctions and moved on but too many others have been unable to do the same. They continue their assaults and while the deranged, who are using social media sites as conduits for their twisted agendas, should be ignored there are more than a few in the mainstream still maligning the club at every opportunity.”

Yes those in the mainstream, who he worked for and took a paycheck from while peddling pro-Rangers articles in the lead up to his job interview with Charles Green and subsequent period between being told that he got the job and peddling that poor excuse of an obituary in his final column for the Daily Record.

He may peddle the line about sporting integrity, but what about journalistic integrity and conflict of interest Mr. Traynor? Did you tell the Daily Record, that you had applied for a position at Rangers all the while writing those articles that had ‘Rangers application’ stamped on top of them?

Again I fail to see how Rangers have moved on, every week we have Charles Green doing his best Comical Ali impression, that puts Vladmir Romanov to shame and then we have the likes of Andrew Dickson who demands apologies from every Tom, Dick and Harry when it doesn’t fit with the Rangers party line that he sticks to like glue. The same party line he peddled under Craig Whyte, when the Motherwell-born BILLIONAIRE was leading Rangers 1872 to oblivion.

Morality, integrity and fair play does not sit kindly at the Ibrox boardroom table since the succulent lamb is now off the menu and replaced with a Donner Kebab from Pakora Junction on Paisley Road West. At least Charles Green can get his big Yorkshire hands dirty getting a hold of the kebab – although he has to put the millions he made in the recent share issue down.

Traynor then sent a threat to his former colleagues, who will not take kindly to a ‘mere’ club communications officer telling them to watch what they write about his employers who now pay him a bumper wage.

He said: “Word of advice gentlemen. From now on be very careful when talking or writing about this club. To paraphrase something said about another club, Rangers will not be treated less than others. And although there is no desire to pick fights, be assured that no one will attack Rangers with impunity.”

Of course he ended his first opinion piece from the book of Rangers quotes, which seems to be referenced too on every piece currently.

“….to quote Bill Struth: “Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. You do that, you will emerge stronger than before.”

Tolerance and sanity? I take it he has missed all of Green’s statements and his version of the Queens christmas speech? If that was Rangers showing sanity then god help us all. We can live with an idiotic league system of 12-12-18 but a Rangers that is as sane as that Christmas message? Even Vladimir Romanov and Angelo Massone would be looking at that one and thinking twice before bursting out laughing.

In effect Jim Traynor’s opinion piece stinks of being ghost written by his pal David Leggat, whose work is now no longer gracing our newspapers – thank god – just his wee blog.

I wonder if Traynor sees the irony that he is now nothing more than a jumped up blogger on an official website. Welcome to the world of semi-literates James, the next time our paths cross – which they have done on numerous occasions at games and press conferences I will be sure to say Hello Hello and give you a wvae.

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  1. hen1rik says:

    Brilliant Andy absolutely brilliant

  2. Ann says:

    Threats already starting from jim traynor against the wee teams going to boycott away games, thought the were making friends in that division, obviously not

  3. Mark says:

    One of the best reads ever during this saga. Brilliant

  4. Fanzone says:

    Andy, wave all you want but remember like you fellow semi-literate bloggers….you have been warned!

  5. Scotzine says:

    I wonder what would happen if I don’t heed the warnings?

  6. Gerry says:

    Brilliant article, Andy. Sums that chump up to a tee.

  7. Naefear says:

    Please don’t heed the warnings!!! I can’t wait to see what is coming to you!!!

  8. wolfhill says:

    Well said Jim Traynor. A great article by him.

  9. Martin says:

    Mr Traynor has ruffled a few feathers I see. Can’t say I’ll shed many tears over that.

  10. Gobsmacked says:

    I can’t wait to read your piece on the SPL allowing Hearts to play while not paying wages, bonuses, NI or tax – surely an unfair sporting advantage there. Also Celtic hiring Robbie Keane on £65,000 a week paid for by Dermot in their failed bid to try and buy the SPL title in 2010 – any chance of seeing Robbie’s contract. Can you also give details of any SPL team that is debt free?
    Yours in Sporting Integrity…………………….

  11. barcabuster says:

    Jabba has buckets of journalistic integrity, and I for one believed him when after the CVA failure, he said the club died, and its history had come to an end. Hail Hail Jabba. Well said!

  12. Ian ferguson says:

    Warned about what? Telling the Truth?

    Show me the inaccuracies in Andy’s article, it is first class. Fact & humour, you can’t whack that.

    There are plenty of inaccuracies in Traynor’s nonsense.

    I will start with just one.

    No one ignored THE Rangers in League reconstruction talks, they were NOT entitled to take part.

    As we all know, RFC(IL) stopped playing football while in Administration. Sevco Never had ANY membership of the SFA nor any League position at that time… RFC Died… Sevco had yet to be born…

    For a period of more than FOUR weeks Rangers did not exist in a footballing sense, new or old.

    After all the rule bending & Breaking a Conditional Licence was granted to allow Sevco, later renamed THE Rangers, entry into the 3rd Division.

    Since then a plethora of rubbish has been written about the “Rangers” situation…. Holding Company, Eternal Club.. Then, Now, Forever Etc.Etc..

    As I said at the time, it is all self serving Bullsh*t & won’t stand up when Facts have to be addressed.

    Here are some… RFC(IL) died.. Sevco were shoehorned into the 3rd Division as a NEW Club on a Conditional Licence.

    Rangers were STILL in Administration Sevco aka THE Rangers were not, as a new Club the points deduction for being in Administration did not apply to Sevco. Sanctions which do were negotiated in the Five Way Agreement.

    One of the things which did apply is the reason for the non Consultation of THE Rangers in the present negotiations..

    When the other Clubs stood up to the SFA/SPL/SFL attempts to allow Sevco entry into the SPL or the 1st Division, the best deal they could then gerrymander was the Conditional entry into the 3rd Division & an ASSOCIATE Membership of the SFA.

    Associate members do NOT have a vote… It is that simple… New Club… New start.. New Associate Membership.. No Vote.

  13. Reilly1926 says:

    A great reply to the ramblings of a loony. Traynor was surely worth more to Sevco 5088 while still being employed at The Record. Mr Charles pobably thinks he has employed a “Malcolm Tucker” type character. How long until he realises that Traynor has all the venom of a pantomine dame. Stuart Cosgrove recently proved how easy it was to tear Traynor a new one on a weekly basis.

  14. Ian ferguson says:

    WOLFHILL, same old self serving Traynor mince as his rants in the Daily Record, when he was a “neutral Airdrie supporter”… except he says WE this time… , funny, except for that one word the DR tripe is the exact same as the Official THE Rangers offering.

    It will be interesting to see the reaction by other Sportswriters who he threatens.

    I listened to the radio programme when Tom English spoke of the Walter Smith offer. I can’t see him or anyone else worth their salt backing down to Traynor’s threats.

    Mind you it keeps the Baa Baa Blue Sheep Happy for a wee while… A Big Boy standing up for them & telling them that everyone else is bad & how they all better watch out when THE Rangers are at the top table.

  15. Stevie says:

    Evidence please.

  16. Kenny Breene says:

    Listen guys, see if people like your fine self and all the other celtic “fans” spent this energy in going to paradise each week I wouldn’t and the players wouldnt see so many bloody empty seats. Who cares about rangers.

    Celtic first, always!

  17. Brian says:

    Well said Andy. His article could have been cut and pasted from the DR if I had not known he’d left it. I really do hope his ex colleagues in the media round on him and give him pelters for his threats, such as Tom English did tonight, once his buddy in the BBC Studio’s.

  18. rabthecab says:

    Great read Andy. One small quibble though: they didn’t “win” the FTTT at all; they were found liable in 5 of the trusts.

  19. Ryan says:

    Absolutely brilliant.

  20. Stevie says:

    Typical Oldco/Newco fan starting point is a threat. They wonder why their hated in footballing circles.

  21. Joe says:

    New Year and new threats from the newco dullards I see. You think they would just swallow their medicine instead of the succulent they seem to love gorging down. Pathetic!

  22. conlon says:

    EXCELLENT Article,You Speak! THE TRUTH,but as we all know, that is a Foreign Language to THEM!

  23. Joey says:

    Traynor has made a superb point that cuts to the heart of the problem with the Scottish game.

    A few months ago we were hearing how fans had to be listened to, as the mob rose up to ensure Rangers were thrown into the 4th tier, the latent anti-Rangers bigotry bubbling over with the hierarchy of the game apparently helpless against the blinding light of what they preferred to call SPORTING INTEGRITY.

    Now, with the hate-filled hoardes’ blood-thirst satisfied as Rangers sit in the bottom division, the SAME football authorities put two fingers up to the fans and choose leaching off the back of the Old Firm’s TV market-value, all to the detriment of the same punters whose concern for sporting integrity was apparently so important but a few months ago.

  24. thisisaceltcsiteindisguise...shame says:

    first time i have seen this site,

    sadly its just another rhabid, bitter hate filled site that enjoys putting the boot into Rangers.

    Rangers like any other club has the right to defend its self, after the horrendous year they have just had, “even you” im sure could understand this is a requirement, a must, if Rangers do not speak up and defend themselves, who will, by your criticism of both traynor and snide remarks regards green, you have made it clear that you think they should sit in the corner and shut up.

    It does`nt really matter what they say or how they say it, hate filled, bigoted people like you will find nothing but fault in it. Thankfully Rangers , their board and their support realize this and are appearing to turn the heat up to smoke out your type

    Andy, i dont know your background or who you support but its very, very clear that your main motivation is hate of a football club, not love of the sport

    its a shame as i thought the aim of this site would have been to include and encourage all supporter groups, instead your showing that everyone who hates Rangers are welcome.

    The only difference between this site and both the RTC & SFM is this site appears to post readers comments that dont fit in to the sites agenda

    “The Agenda Of Discrediting Rangers” has become boring, sad and now pathetic, but if thats what your particular audience on this site like reading, then im sure you are the very man for the job

  25. Dominic Reville says:

    You say Rangers were punished by the SPL. That is not the case. They have not been punished yet. Any punishment has still to happen. They had to leave the SPL in accordance with the rules of the game. That was not a punishment.

  26. Sid says:

    Are the sane Rangers fans still on holiday? The comments of Green and now Traynor are utterly embarrassing for a once proud club- these 2 guys in particular are guilty of astonishing U-turns. Whether The Rangers have a history or not- 90% of the people who say they haven’t are basing it on cast iron statements given by The Rangers chairman and the chief sports writer of what is effectively Scotland’s national tabloid newspaper. These 2 men will never be able to square that without admitting they haven’t a clue what they’re talking about.

  27. BanTheRagsCSC says:

    Haha honestly what utter drivel. So you want fans (who a vast majority can’t afford) go to games to allow them to have an opinion?
    Face it, what’s happened with Rangers, SevCo, The Rangers is a very topical subject raising plenty of questions & debate. That’s the bottom line.
    Oh don’t talk about Hearts not paying wages unless you go to games…. Drivel

  28. Ben Casey says:

    Superb piece, agree with everything you say

  29. BlueStu says:

    Bigoted site, moderated by a bigot(yes YOU muirheid), populated by bigots posting.

    Hopefully Rangers and Mr Green will take you and your disgusting ilk to the cleaners and shut down this Rangers hating site!!!!!

  30. joey says:

    The SPL clubs voted on whether Rangers should stay in the SPL, or be ejected from the league. Both options were available, otherwise, why vote on it?

    They voted to eject Rangers which, inevitably, resulted in them having to enter the 4th tier.

    Now the same bunch are desperate to continue the 4-game-a-season model, putting two fingers up to fans, ONLY to leach off the tv-cash/money-rich blood of… you guessed it… RANGERS.

    Yet these “fans” will do nothing to save hopes for the game, there will be no uprising of the “no to newco” kind, because their jealousy and disdain of all things Rangers has not stirred.

    How tragic for them.

  31. Scotzine says:

    How will they go about closing this site down Stu? Nothing is bigoted and we have not broken any laws.

  32. Scotzine says:

    Joey Rangers were blocked entry as they were trying to secure the share that the previous entity had.

  33. Scott1 says:

    Some people can’t see the wood for the trees. Forget about your feelings towards all things Rangers for a minute. Do you really think that the proposals as they currently stand will improve Scottish Football in any way at all? They’re ultimately aimed at teams in the top tier playing each of the OF 4 times a season and benifitting financially. It doesn’t make the league more competitive or improve our clubs chances in Europe in any way at all. In 10 years time, even after Rangers have been back in the top tier for a few years, we’ll be in a worse state than we are now.
    The authorities have an opportunity to make changes to the game that benfit most clubs, not just an elite group. I’d love to see the likes of Motherwell or Hibs win the league in the future, but that will never happen under these proposals.

  34. James arrol says:

    Andy you are a sad obsessed individual…I think you need to spend more time with your family and friends (if you have any) rather than constantly writing about rangers in your now trademark negative and agenda driven style….if you and the rest can’t see what’s wrong with these league reconstruction proposals then you are letting your hatred of one club get in the way of affecting positive change!

  35. Ian ferguson says:

    GOBSMACKED:

    Quite a bit of whataboutery there.

    Hearts have been sanctioned for their failings, a lot more so than RFC(IL) ever were.

    Please supply your evidence of wrongdoing by Celtic.

    Debt free Clubs… There is NO requirement for a Club to be debt free. The requirement is for Clubs to live within their means & PAY their debts when they fall due. There is also a requirement that no Tax be outstanding.

    Hearts have been dealt with by the SFA, perhaps if the SFA had acted in the same fashion concerning RFC they would have survived.

    If RFC had been forced to obey the rules then they would have had to cut their cloth to suit their circumstances. They would have survived.

    All the bent & broken Rules did RFC(IL)no favours in the long run.

  36. Scotzine says:

    Sorry James but most of Traynor’s article was attacking those clubs again who voted for sporting integrity. 3/4 of it was not about league reconstruction. It lacked facts and failed to state that Rangers do not have any voting powers as they are merely an associate member and not a full member.

  37. Alex says:

    Dearo Dearo me… I had to stop reading after 5 or 6 sentences… Now it’s the “wee tax case” Rangers tax case that’s caused the works economic crash.. Look we won the case GET OVER IT.. And Journalistic integrity??? When have they words went together ever?? Time to get that Record changed me thinks.. Fans of Scotland are very boring.. What about untegrity of the refs being questioned? Funnily enough not been recently.. Mmmmmm! Wonder Why????

  38. derek says:

    naw they won the fttt mate,not proven means not proven,ur not on the tommyinglasgow show,same old same old

    try using ur logic on celtic,and see what kind of articles andy the pie munching recluse could come up with then

  39. Alex says:

    Well said mate.. I’m a Gers fan too..!

  40. Craig Gallagher says:

    Can someone please ask Traynor if he received an EBT through Rangers from his best pal Sir Minty Moonbeams for services to Rangers (now dead) when he was leader of the succulent lamb brigade which was then filed under miscellaneous along with many others and when Charles Green found out headhunted him. A quick YES or NO answer will suffice and we’ll leave it there. But someone with access to said Jim PLEASE ask him PLEASE!!!

  41. Ian ferguson says:

    JOEY:

    That premise is wrong. The RULES did not allow a Sevco entry into the SPL.. The SPL & SFA tried to circumvent the Rules to allow them entry hence the Fans standing up & requiring their Clubs to vote against that Accommodation. In reality Rangers were not voted OUT, Sevco were not allowed IN.

    The rules were bent, broken, ignored & manipulated resulting in the Five Way Agreement, the SFA/SPL & SFL wanted to preserve/improve their respective markets. The best they could manage in the end was an ASSOCIATE Membership thus No Voting rights. Green had to come to an agreement or there would have been no football at Ibrox this season.

    You are right about the money… Any Rangers team, playing at Ibrox in RFC colours will generate steady & Large income streams… The Powers that Be Want that money by hook or by crook.

    The fans seem to want a bigger top league.

    The SFA/SPL say that it is not Commercially viable & the Club Chairmen agree with them, even the SFL is now coming around to a 12-12-18 set up.

    The league each team plays in will be decided by League position at the end of the season IE First 12 will be the Top League next 12 will be 2nd Tier & the remaining 18 will make up the lowest tier.

    If that happens, then I can’t see how it defies “Sporting Integrity”. It will not be the Fans 1st choice but that will be for commercial reasons.

    The undertone of the Traynor piece seems to be that, the rules should be broken, yet again, to accommodate THE Rangers because of their financial clout.

    Now THAT would be wrong.

  42. ZenKiddo says:

    Y’know what, I am a life-long Rangers fan and I cannot understand my fellow fans skewed views on everything Rangers/Charles Green-related. What Mr Muirhead has stated here is fact – whatever his feelings toward Jim Traynor are his own to which he is entitled.

    Rangers acted improperly and are being punished in a way which befits the ‘crime’. Whether or not you agree, this is now the reality and no amount of slagging off the SPL/SFA is going to change this.

    Why Jim Traynor is getting himself so upset and sending out idle threats to other clubs is beyond me? Was it not just a couple of weeks ago Mr Green claimed he had not decided if Rangers even ‘want’ back into the SPL or even the second division? I for one was not one of the fans who rallied behind this and said “Good on you Chuck”!

    Same with the decision to boycott the Dundee Utd game… I am a Rangers football-fan first and foremost.. I do not go along to the games and support the RFC plc, I support the guys on the pitch and the manager who are trying to salvage some credibility and results out of this debacle.

    Charles Green is destroying any credibility Rangers has left. His views represent the minority of fans who unfortunately happen to be the loudest and probably those with the least business-acumen.

    I am ashamed by how bitter and fickle some of my fellow fans have become – we used to be the ones slagging off Celtic for all their ‘consipracy theory’ claims!

  43. Ian ferguson says:

    ALEX:

    RFC(IL) were guilty of Tax cheating, among other things, which led Directly to their demise.

    Sevco, later renamed THE Rangers were given entry into the THIRD Division, on a Conditional Licence & as an ASSOCIATE Member with No voting rights…

    What exactly did they win?

  44. Dave M says:

    Peddle – canvas, hawk, monger, solicit, trade, vend.

    Plenty of synonyms available to pepper through your article.

  45. Joe Bloggs says:

    What a lot of drivel. Do you guys not have anything more important to do with your lives?

  46. Raab says:

    Andy, one comment I thought was fantastic was from a guy called thisiscelticindisguise….shame. He hit the nail on the head and what makes it even better is that you failed to respond! I would love to hear what you have to say to that guy. Oh aye and trying to claim you don’t have an agenda is laughable. Get a life mate, your pathetic!

  47. BlueStu says:

    Andy…………Bigotry…wiki definition, not the most reliable but none the less correct…..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

    Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”.[1] Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, economic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.

    “especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”.

    Now, are you honestly trying to say you DONT treat Rangers and Her Fans with intolerance????????

    You are the PERFECT definition of a bigot….not in a religious sense, but in the true meaning of the word!!!

    With a name like “scotzine” you would think that you would be a tolerant and balanced site….you are not, pure and simple!!!!! Your hatred of Rangers is on par with that idiot with the three names(who has been OFFICIALLY branded a bigot by the PCC, press complaints commission) or that other daftie from the RTC blog…notice how that clown headed for the hills and has not been seen since after the FTTT findings were made public. He must be pretty clever, as he will know that the law will be after him for libellous and slanderous comments…..kinda similar to the p*sh you and your numpty followers post on here!!!!

  48. Joe Bloggs says:

    I think that Alex, in his post at 10.27, used a word which should now become a byword for this whole fiasco. I don’t think he meant to use it. I think it was just a spelling error.
    The word?
    UNTEGRITY
    Brilliant.

  49. Iain Ritchie says:

    Given that Rangers are a listed company I would think that Mr Traynor is the one that needs to be careful in what the writes. I is acting in an official capacity and is under an obligation to work in the best interest of shareholders – i would question if this rhetoric is in their best interests.

  50. mick says:

    The obsession with Rangers continues…

  51. Emmett says:

    Brilliant read, just brilliant. Imagine the shame of not paying the Ambulance service and various charities!!!

    Only Rangers would do this.

    SHAME ON YOUS!!!!!!!

  52. Stevie says:

    How do Sevco fans still not understand.
    When Oldco died they didn’t have a club no club no league.
    When Newco were born they didn’t have a league to play in, they wanted to enter league at the top fans told them no way.
    Newco didn’t get voted out, they just didn’t get voted into the SPL.
    All this confusion comes because Newco fans think their the same club.

  53. Thomas Payne says:

    That is a brilliant article that sums Traynor up.

  54. jockybhoy says:

    Traynor’s inaugural blog is a piece of work right enough. The complaint about Green being described as speaking with a forked tongue is a bit rich coming from someone with such a historically full fork of succulent fare.

    I loved his reference to “not being treated as less than…” – yet another example of what we were told was Celtic paranoia being commandeered by The Renegers.

    As for heeding the warnings Andy – remember all those writs that were going to be heading the BBC’s way, and RTC’s and Paul McConville’s and indeed your’s… whatever happened to them?

    I will leave you with this final thought: I note that when John Reid referred to “not being treated as less than…” originally Traynor signed off his article with “It was playing to the gallery and it was a cheap ploy” – imitation is really the sincerest form of flattery Jabba.

  55. Stevie says:

    The FTT has been explained a few times on this site.
    Under appeal.

  56. Stevie says:

    Fantastic description of Oldco/Newco fans there Bluestu.

  57. Stevie says:

    Well said mate.
    I sure if more fans had your attitude things would be much better for your club. Instead of encouraging hate towards Newco might bring some sympathy.

  58. jockybhoy says:

    As for BluStu’s references to bigotry – shouldn’t that be http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry?

    Got to say though, even the English version is stretching it a bit – I am intolerant of racists, does that make me a bigot?

    I do note that BluStu makes an especial play regarding Rangers and Her (?) fans being a “racial or ethnic group” – are they? Celtic makes great store or being open and welcoming to all. I guess he’s saying Rangers isn’t?

  59. William Boyne says:

    Embarassing article.

    Back to school big man.

  60. GWG says:

    Probably the best article produced on this site in a long time~~~~ well done!!
    As for Traynor, he’s a busted flush with no journalistic credibility left whatsoever, a clown dancing to the tune of his puppet master Green, A dinosaurs that will trample heedlessly into oblivion whilst the new social media becomes the benchmark for TRUTHFULL journalism.
    The Sevcorians on here really must get their heads outta their arse’s and realise that it’s OVER!! The last chapter is about to end with the final humiliation of title stripping and oblivion for their once mighty club and move on (their words) with their NEW club established 2012 with their No Debt!! No History!! No Credibility!! No Vote!! And of course No Surrender !!

  61. Reilly1926 says:

    Our obsession is why Sevco 5088 are where they are today (And for that matter next season). Without it most of the cheating would have been brushed under the carpet. I wear my obsession like a Badge of Honour.

  62. SCOTLAND fan says:

    This seems to be a Celtic forum. our game is in tatters Rangers are in the bottom division yet still being kicked and although Rangers fans look like they are happy to be where they are and to work there way back up through the divisions and with a number fans following on that every club in not only SCOTLAND would want. I cant believe the hatred that is being aimed at that club. SCOTTISH football needs to get a grip not British football and not Irish football, SCOTTISH

  63. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    You do realise that you’ve just called YOURSELF a bigot? D’oh.

    You really need to look up a dictionary.

    Nothing bigoted whatsoever.

  64. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    BluStu, you’re saying that Rangers is a “racial or ethnic group”? Really? Really Stu?

  65. Scotzine says:

    BlueStu where do Rangers and their fans fit into the definition?? [members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”.[1] Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, economic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation.]

    Rangers and their fans are not a political group, a race, a region, a religion nor a spiritual belief nor a disability.

    Ever heard the word rivalry maybe you should wikipedia to define that.

  66. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    ZenKiddo, comment of the day, kudos to you. Be warned though that you’ll probably now be accused of not being a real Rangers fan. It is a shame that everyone – on both sides – does not have the same decent open-minded attitude.

  67. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    How exactly are Rangers being kicked? By being put in the same boat as all the clubs in their division? I guess they’re all being kicked too?

    It’s not a Celtic forum btw. You need only look at the previous comments to recognise that simple point.

  68. GWG says:

    Forgive me ~~~~but it was indeed your club that put Scottish football where it is with it’s arrogance and it’s ancient triumphant ways…. There is a change in Scottish football underway and the vast number of football supporters don’t want the Rangers of old …WE ARE THE PEOPLE!! Has only served to isolate and shun that old arrogance , the cheating has only illustrated what your club was all about and sadly it’s continuing with THE Rangers 2012 it wont be long before the voice’s of better angles consign your arrogance and ancient ways to the dustbin of history!!!

  69. deeko says:

    so rangers are to boycott dundee utd and any other club that had the balls to stand up to them and vote them out the spl dose that mean when they play celtic they are going to boycott that I DONT THINK SO

  70. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    You post under a monicker that harks back to a battle over 300 years ago which had absolutely nothing to do with football and yet you have the audacity to say that the article is embarassing?

  71. joey says:

    There was a vote whether or not to allow Rangers to stay in the SPL, which would have been perfectly possible if the SPL share had been transferred from Oldco to Newco.

    As Lord Nimmo Smith made clear, Rangers Football Club – according to the SPL rules – continued in existence despite the transfer to the different owner and operator.

    Check for yourself: http://tiny.cc/ojiipw

    Rangers could have been in the SPL, but the clubs voted against it. Simple as that.

  72. joey says:

    Lord Nimmo Smith said we were the same club. Read it for yourself: http://tiny.cc/ojiipw

    The notion that you’ve somehow unearthed some kind of truth that was above his understanding of the SPL rules is quite frankly beyond a joke.

  73. joey says:

    Ian, I know your not the brightest bulb in the box but this is beyond the pale even by your own standards.

    The ONLY reason SPL clubs went through the fuss of VOTING on whether X club (call it what you like) would be allowed to participate in the SPL was that it was possible.

    The idea they voted on an issue where one side of the coin wasn’t a possibility at all is truly septic minded.

  74. SCOTLAND fan says:

    They are not my team. I know many Celtic and Rangers fans and the Celtic fans are missing the clashes with Ranger, the Rangers fans are happy where they are as is where the asked to be put, I think you might be surprised at how few Rangers fans will travel to parkhead .As to the reason I said this is like a celtic forum is: almost everything after the words Scotzine. this is not a SCOTTISH football forum

  75. Patrick says:

    Does anyone really care about the rantings of Green or Traynor?

    Make mine a Magners!

  76. Alex says:

    The irony of your name makes me smile… Are you serious by asking what Rangers won?? The big tax case..!! Are you still stuck in 1967..?? Craig Whyte(and a million others) didn’t think Rangers would win the case and let the club go to pot.. Wake up Fergie..

  77. Alex says:

    Jim Traynor questions the phrase “sporting integrity” he is head of our communications now and he has his opinion on that.. Why does that bother you? Go to ibrox support the team and don’t comment on others having an opinion if it bothers you so.. If your ashamed then you need to get out more, the human race can do a lot worse.. And most of it is banter so chill out..

  78. Alex says:

    So if Sevco go to parkhead you won’t be going? You and 30,000 others that are bored every week and don’t turn up..!! As the great Jim Kerr says “these empty seats are the best empty seats in the world”

  79. uncle jock says:

    Muirhead….You have contrived to build up a following of moronic eejits with your lambasting of all things Rangers. Please be reminded that you are now “trying” to belittle Jim Traynor, a man whose pedigree prevails, your inadequacy and shortfalling makes you a third rate failure. please refrain from using “journalastic integrity” when you are totally void of it yourself.

  80. Ian ferguson says:

    JOEY:

    Rules were bent & Broken. RFC was dead in the water, Sevco did not exist as a football club. The SFA & SPL tried to gerrymander a way to give Sevco entry into the SPL & were knocked back by fan power. As simple as that… WE all said NO & Justice prevailed.

    If I am wrong show me the Rule which allows a new start, with No Provenance, entry into the SPL, while you are at it show me the Rule which would have allowed entry into the 1st Division. In fact I am easily pleased, show me the rules which permitted a team with no provenance entry into the 3rd Division ahead of teams which could fulfill the required criteria.

    The SFA & SPL joined forces with the SFL & tried to give Sevco entry into the 1st Division, against the existing rules & got knocked back again. Not Bigotry, but justice.

    The Rules were broken to allow the 3rd division start as an ASSOCIATE Member on a Conditional licence… ALL Facts Joey, live with it.

    New Club with an ASSOCIATE Membership, NO vote & destined to roam the lowest league while others gain advancement within the new set up … Just Facts Joey.

    Anyway Green doesn’t want to play in Scotland anymore. He does not like it… People want him to follow the rules & he does not like that.

    What a joke this Sevco mob are proving to be, I don’t think there are many folk left to fall out with or offend.

  81. Ian ferguson says:

    JOEY: You are a New ASSOCIATE Member with No Vote… live with it, you are lucky to exist at all.

    If Green does not like playing in Scotland he can go Globetrotting & visit his “millions” of fans elsewhere… He is in La La Land, there is not another country which would touch his team with a barge pole.

    Anyway I thought you were all happy in the 3rd division, I’ve read it often enough.

  82. deeko says:

    @ Scotland

    i would put a years worth of wages on the fact that if rangers got celtic it would be sold out

  83. Ian ferguson says:

    Who has done what, exactly, to discredit THE Rangers?

    It seems as if Green is doing a first Class job & is now being aided & abetted by Traynor. They don’t appear to need any help in bringing their club into disrepute.

    RFC(IL)’s Owners & practices brought Shame & discredit without any outside help… Trading while Insolvent, Non payment of Creditors, Administration, Non Payment of Tax already deducted leading to Liquidation… all self inflicted.

    Now THE Rangers have no say in reconstruction because they are ASSOCIATE Members & have no vote… & this, somehow, is everyone being bigoted against them.

    Green now threatens to go away & play elsewhere because no one is listening to him, it gets funnier & funnier, no other Country would touch his team with a barge pole.

    Mind you I can’t see his problem, The Rangers are in the Fourth Tier & are ensured promotion.

    If there is no reconstruction.. His team would be in the 3rd Tier, if there is reconstruction his team will be in .. the 3rd Tier, so what’s the problem?

    Does Green feel THE Rangers is a special case & should be promoted over others who have earned their place ahead of them? after all that’s how they gained entry into the 3rd Division, is it not?

    Perhaps he has rubbed too many people up the wrong way & does not have the level of support from the SFA & SPL Leadership now? Time will tell.

  84. Ian ferguson says:

    Who is kicking THE Rangers?

    They were Helped… They were given a Conditional Licence & an ASSOCIATE Membership of the SFA which allowed them to play in the 3rd Division… They did Not Meet the requirements for a place in the 3rd Division, having no Provenance.

    If the rules had been followed there would be no football at Ibrox this season.

    Now, you say they are happy to play their way up through the leagues… should there be any Other Way?

    THE Rangers are ASSOCIATE Members & have no vote, that is the Rule, why is it counted as Kicking THE Rangers?

    Why should THE Rangers be above the Rules? That is all that is happening, the Rules are being followed for once, so far..

  85. Bobo says:

    Jim Traynor said Rangers as we know it is dead.
    Charles Green said without a CVA the club loses its history. It’s simple really. Now we know we can’t trust these men one bit but on this occasion I agree with them.

    Let it go bears……..its over.

  86. Ian ferguson says:

    I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

    I do not miss RFC(IL) & certainly don’t want to play a Second Rate Tribute Act, with attitude problems.

    I have enjoyed The Euro games & Celtic are doing OK in an improved, friendlier SPL, Armageddon did not happen.

    In fact, Celtic earned Extra income for all the other SPL Clubs, have performed really well in Europe, consolidating that income stream & have just announced a new sponsorship deal. All in all it would seem to be a good season so far. Other Teams & Managers seem to be enjoying it too, ask Big Butcher.

    THE Rangers seem to have a big chip on their shoulder, threatening all & sundry.

    You say they are happy to be where they are & I, for one, am happy to leave them there, I would not worry if we never played them for a first time.

    Given their happiness, why is there a problem?

    The SFA/SPL/SFL have empowered member Clubs to discuss a reorginisation of the Scottish Football Leagues.

    They appear to be taking a financial based decision rather than a Fan orientated one as to the set up, 12-12-18 rather than say a 16 top tier.

    Time will tell if they get it right, but one thing is sure, every club entitled to a vote will get one & the proposal will pass or fail on that vote. What is wrong with that?

    It appears that THE Rangers perception of their own worth exceeds the opinion of the other “Smaller” Clubs & Green does not like it & is threatening to go away.

    His rants are beyond parody, or would be, if Traynor had not pitched in with his nonsense.

  87. eoin says:

    Is this the same james traynor who wrote the daily record that the famine song was just a bit of harmless banter,me thinks james has landed his dream job and will fit right in at ibronx

  88. Stevie says:

    So Joey what has been decided so far.
    Not that it concerns a new club that should be thankful their in Scottish Football.

  89. Stevie says:

    The honest mistakes continue in Div 3.
    Funnily enough by SPL referees.

  90. Stevie says:

    Scotland Fan.
    Me as a Celtic fan don’t miss Newco one bit because my team have never played them.
    I hope Newco fans never enter paradise.
    Charles Green has said tonight he’s looking for a way out of Scottish Football, lets hope he succeeds.

  91. Stevie says:

    Congratulations on a fantastic article Andy.
    More power to your keyboard,

  92. Scotzine says:

    Dont worry jock i wont use the term journalastic integrity. I will however continue to use journalistic integrity. ;)

  93. Stevie says:

    Alex so I’m bored along with 30,000 others.
    If you can read people’s minds tell us what Charles Green’s ulterior motive is.

    You are an attendance counter, well count this Newco 37.000 season ticket holders, Celtic 43.000 season ticket holders.

    If that’s your comfort blanket who am I to complain.

  94. joey says:

    Once again Super-brain Stevie who knows the SPL rules better than the Supreme Court Judge and his independent commission: http://tiny.cc/ojiipw

    Rt Hon. Lord Nimmo Smith or “Stevie”, who ya gonna trust?

    Give it a rest mate, you just look an idiot pretending to know better than the Big Wig.

  95. empty green seat says:

    On match days the seats either side of me used to have people on them .
    Celtic sign a 5 million shirt sponsor and everyones talking about the biggest show in town lol i love it , jim trainors got yous where he wants .

  96. joey says:

    Ian,

    Yet more nonsense…

    So now your pretending that the punters’ “no to newco” campaign was driven by a superior understanding of the Rules to the governing body that set them up(!), rather than just a naked, bitter hatred of the club that had been more dominant over their back-yard league than any other team in history…

    That is, well, just as credible as everything else you come up – or whatever celtic forum you wallow in comes up with.

  97. joey says:

    What are you sniping about? I never said we WEREN’T an associate member. Read what I said.

    Being an associate member doesn’t mean Rangers are a different club to that which was in the SPL, it simply means Rangers weren’t “relegated, in terms of the Settlement Agreement between the League and The Scottish Premier League, from The Scottish Premier League”

    I wouldn’t have expected you to have consulted the rulebook but if you had you’d already have known one does not follow the other.

  98. Stevie says:

    So Joey what your saying is your the same Club with history but not the debt.
    You would think then there would be some sort of apology maybe even some remorse.
    Wait a minute once you mention debt that’s not your debt that was the other Club.
    Wonder why no other clubs or companies have thought of this ploy.
    Dream on.

    No matter how loud you protest Newco will always be a new Club to me and many thousands like me.

  99. jockybhoy says:

    Empty Green Seat: you are mistaking people laughing at the antics of Mr Charles and Jabba for interest in the club (or is that the holding company?) itself. I live down in London and no-one can believe what an absolute clusterf–k Rangers Old and New has turned into.

    Down here Mr Green’s latest rant “we’ll leave Scotland” was met with a resounding “…and go where? We don’t want you…”

    Youse are a complete laughing stock. Cheers.

  100. Craig35 says:

    Ehm let’s start with st Johnstone then.

  101. ZenKiddo says:

    Alex – I think when it comes to subject of chilling out, given your previous rants here you could probably benefit from said ‘chill out’.

    As usual God forbid you have an opinion different to that of Charles Green/Jim Traynor – to me they’d be as well saying “if you’re not with us 100% you’re against us”. And yes I am ashamed of that… all you need to do is listen to 5 minutes of a phone in before some Rangers-’loyal’ calls up and ends up embarrassing himself with some over the top (and a lot of the time, wildly inaccurate) claims that sound like the paranoid ramblings of a mad man! I find myself wishing I did have the brass neck to phone up immediately afterwards and say “his views in no way represent the views of those fans with the slightest bit of nous!”. However I am a more chilled out person than this and instead chuckle and shake my head and pray to God the Celtic fans I have banter with on a day to day basis didn’t hear it!

    If the rules are that The Rangers do not get a vote with regard to league reconstruction then why should we?? If the shoe was on the other foot would we be saying “…the SFA should bend the rules and allow Celtic their say..” – no we wouldn’t! I’d be the first one to leave a comment to complain if they did!

    As someone who does pay to see Rangers play football I am entitled to opinion especially when those higher-uppers at the club are making threats to leave Scottish football! Before any decisions are made like this, ballot the fans… don’t just stomp your feet and say “am no playing wae you anymare”.

    Also need I remind you, that these fans who are so vocal with their cries of “conspiracy!” and blaming “them/their lot” and proclaiming Charles Green as “one of us” were the very ones a number of weeks ago booing him off the pitch for considering changing the name of Ibrox – God forbid the man makes a business decision! But then he said himself he’s “not an impassioned fan” – so why he takes all these other things so much to heart beggars belief!

  102. SCOTLAND fan says:

    What has the famine song got to do with anything, do you really think it was only the irish who died from it, are you all stupid ???? Was it God or protestants who caused it. The potato famine affected other countries too. I give up !!!!!!! listen to yourself s newco, oldco. its still Rangers. Take away trophy’s will still be them. That Scottish thistle symbol I think should be changed to a shamrock. This is just what Scottish football needs….. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  103. Ian ferguson says:

    JOEY: Greet away it suits you.

    Show me the Rules which were in force which would have allowed Sevco into the SPL or 1st Division JOEY. They don’t exist.

    As usual you fall back on claims it’s all Celtic blog propaganda… It’s not JOEY, it is fact.

    RFC(IL) were in Administration, awaiting Liquidation for non payment of debts, including Tax monies gathered but not paid to HMRC. RFC(IL) used the money to trade while Insolvent.

    The SFA & SPL were desperate to save them & could not.

    They then tried to Give Sevco a place in the SPL against the Rules, I have asked you already to show me the Rule which allows an applicant, with no Provenance, entry into the SPL.

    Sevco had no accounts & had never played football anywhere & were NOT a member of any Football League, That is why they were rejected, they had no right of entry into the SPL, according to the Rules.

    Show me the Rule which would allow entry into the 1st Division? Same applies, Sevco had no right to entry, but again the SFA/SPL/SFL ALL were willing to break the rules to Accommodate them. The fans said NO again, not Bigotry but Justice.

    Sevco were allowed a new entry into the 3rd Division on a Conditional Licence with ASSOCIATE Membership of the SFA, again Sevco did not meet the criteria for this & the rules were broken to accommodate them, resulting in the infamous Five Way Agreement, show me the rule which allowed That..

    In short Sevco, later renamed THE Rangers were shoehorned in against the rules. As a new Club they were only allowed ASSOCIATE Membership of the SFA & that is what is causing all the greeting from Green & Traynor now. ASSOCIATE Members are Not FULL Members & do not get a vote.

    No one seems to want to fast track THE Rangers this time & Green ain’t happy.

    Where is the problem? THE Rangers are going to be promoted from the FOURTH Tier of Scottish Football if there is no reconstruction.

    If reconstruction happens THE Rangers will be placed where their League place takes them, into the THIRD Tier where they would be anyway.

    It seems that the problem is no one wants to allow them into the Top Tier & we all know that is just bigotry & Hatred against THE Rangers, Rules should not apply to them…. It is for the good of Scottish Football…Etc.. YAWN.

  104. empty green seat says:

    i take it your maybe in kilburn jokeybhoy wait and see what sky and espn have to say about it and also ask to see the spl viewing fugures for nov and december . the lowest since it started but hey ho the spl is thriving

  105. Hector Mullen says:

    Over the years I have watched Mr Traynor’s career slowly deteriorate.
    At it’s height, Mr Traynor at The Herald..serious Journalist, great newspaper. The low point, headline grabbing, petty nonsense at The Daily Record.

    His appearances on TV and Radio became more and more cringe worthy…the highlight being an on-air spat with chirpy chappy Chic Young!

    Oh and that phone-in show? Just Awful. Once Jim had gone, the BBC immediately replaced it with Kenny McIntyre plus contributors…much better!

    Jim wants to be Graham Spiers but doesn’t have the talent or insight.
    Now this Airdrionian is at Ibrox as director of communications?

    As a non old firm football supporter, I’m just glad I won’t have to listen to his self important rubbish anymore!

    Thank you Charles…you’re welcome to him.
    H

  106. Stevie says:

    Thanks Alex for informing us that the big tax case is over.
    Here’s me thinking HMRC were in the process of appealing the case.

  107. Stevie says:

    If Sky and ESPN do pull out of Scottish football who’s fault would that be.
    Not that they will but just if they did.

  108. Ian ferguson says:

    JOEY:

    What a crock of Bullsh*t. What does it actually mean & which SPL & SFA Rules cover it? Show me the Rules, JOEY.

    To Quote you “Rangers were Not relegated, in Terms of the Settlement Agreement between the League & The SPL, from the SPL”.

    That is gibberish.

    You are right about ONE thing… Rangers were not Relegated from the SPL, they were in Administration & still a member of the SPL when Sevco were playing in the Ramsden’s Cup & the 3rd Division.

    There is NO facility in the Rules to move a club from Runners up spot in the SPL to the 3rd Division… It did not happen.

    RFC are in the process of being Liquidated & since the inception of the SPL have NEVER played in any other League..

    RFC(IA) remained a member of the SPL until their share was given to Dundee.

    Sevco, a non member of ANY Football League or The SFA were the subject of failed attempts to grant them entry into the SPL & then the SFL 1st Division, against the Rules… Fan power stopped this from happening.

    The SFA/SPL/SFL, RFC(IA) & Sevco met, & in what is called the Five Way Agreement, Sevco were granted a Conditional Licence & ASSOCIATE Membership of the SFA.. Again this flouted the existing Rules.

    The whole issue was driven by Regan & Doncaster & was purely motivated by their desire to keep a hold of the money RFC brought into their coffers.

    When they failed the SFL were brought into the equation & between them they tried to bully an acceptance of admission into the 1st Division, again against the rules, this led to the famous Corruption claim & was thrown out, leading to the desperate, unheard of measure of granting a Conditional Licence.

    Several points arise from this, RFC(IA) & Sevco were both in existence at the Same Time in Different Leagues.

    Sevco, later renamed THE Rangers, were granted a NEW Conditional Licence because they failed the criteria for admission to the SFL. They did not continue from RFC. Sevco were Not a member of any Football League or The SFA prior to the Conditional Licence… Why would an Existing Member of the SFA NEED an ASSOCIATE Membership? They would not but Sevco did because they were new & seperate.

  109. Ian ferguson says:

    ALEX:

    You are another chancer who does not let simple facts stand in the way of your pathetic rhetoric.

    Go & Compare Celtic’s attendance figures against Sevco aka THE Rangers… More importantly check the difference in INCOME.

    You are Fourth Tier Paupers.

  110. Ian ferguson says:

    ALEX:

    Was that a serious answer?

    Jeezo talk about deluded.

    EBT’s led to uncontrollable debt & a Bank who had no confidence in RFC(IL). This in turn led to the club being sold for £1, that is ONE POUND to Craig Whyte.

    This in turn led to trading while insolvent, Tax cheating & avoidance of paying Creditors which led to Administration. Administration led to a Failed CVA which led to the demise of RFC(IL)… Both Green & Traynor have admitted this.

    This led to a second rate outfit called Sevco renaming themselves THE Rangers & the pretence that nothing has changed.

    Oh & by the way, the FTT result is subject to appeal & has not concluded yet & the EBT scandal has given rise to the SPL Tribunal, which has still to be heard, but which has found that a Prima facie case exists.

    Some victory.

  111. Ian ferguson says:

    Ignorance is not bliss, it is a lack of knowledge & the lack of enough common sense to shut up when you don’t know what you are talking about.

    The Famine was man made. The potato was the only farm product affected by the blight. One of the most remarkable facts about the famine period is that there was an average monthly export of food from Ireland worth 100,000 Pound Sterling. Almost throughout the five-year famine, Ireland remained a net exporter of food, while the Irish starved. The British Army was used against the starving civilian population to ensure the export ships sailed on time.

    From Traynors perspective of saying it is just banter? The Courts declared it Rascist & still he defended it.

    The man is lower than a snake’s belly.

  112. wonky says:

    It was all a bit crazy, but I loved the bit about Rangers being the biggest club in Scotland. Rubber wall time. Insane- surely even the staunchest blue nose doesn’t believe this?…since 65 onwards Celtic are the dominant Scottish club of the modern era- winning more leagues, FA cups, European Cups than Rangers ( forgot Rangers never even got to a final), last 16 of Champions Lg x3, first club to do 9-in-a-row…just sounds like braggadocio now…The only time out with the new-firm Celtic dominance was halted was when Murray spent millions of other peoples money borrowed from his golf chums at the Auld Reekie banks, tax scams etc…Celtic are the only global brand in Scotland, biggest stadium, biggest fan base, biggest turnover…Jabba probably thinks if he keeps repeating the line: I’ve got a big d*** He’ll wake up the next morning with the biggest d*** in Scotland…saying it doesn’t make it so and neither does repeating it make it happen…”I have the biggest d*** in the world”…you can but try!

  113. two rows of empty green seats says:

    wonky im like ann you make me laugh out loud

  114. Minty says:

    Haha, the old “global brand” chat. Love it.

    Maybe it’s because your fans are spread so far across the globe that 60,000 can’t make it to Parkhead to watch an SPL game.

  115. wonky says:

    Celtic SPL ticket prices v Hearts:
    Adult (£30) Kids (£17)

    Rangers ticket prices v Berwick:
    Adult (£16-20) Kids (£5).

    As you can see there is a considerable difference in pricing for a superior product. Rangers av attendance: 47,100, Celtic: 46,550. A difference of 500 or so is hardly earh shattering considering the big differences in pricing. Celtic could have a couple of full houses before the end of the season and of course surpass Rangers average attendance.

    There are two other factors that have to be considered: Celtic fans have had to find the cash for half a dozen European matches this season, at 30-40 quid a pop. No mean thing during hard pressed times.

    The Rangers support will taper off towards end of season- once the league has been won so early- and will peter our each season they are out of the big boys league as the siege mentality no=one-likes-us hysteria cools down…

  116. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    Jim Traynor’s pedigree? He is most definitely not a pedigree. Indeed, ‘journalastic integrity’ describes him perfectly – a writer who stretches the truth…

  117. 3 rows of empty green seats says:

    wonky you and i both know that celtics home spl crowd is down at least 15 percent maybe more . rangers fans will rally to we are back to where we belong where ever that maybe . no hysteria we had the same guys at the start of the season saying wait till december in the cold there will be hardly any fans at ibrox how wrong were they .wonky my bhoy thats why WE ARE THE PEOPLE

  118. Dilly Bodds says:

    No need toworry Wonky—-the siege mentality -no one like us stuff will disappear as a result of natural evolution.

    It has only been delayed among these people by a shrinking gene pool.

  119. Scotzine says:

    although the cup games dont count 3rows just the league games eh ;)

  120. PrideAndNoPrejudice says:

    GreenSeats – when you’re at the away games in the third division, do you adapt your chant accordingly and sing We Are The Village People?

  121. 4 rows of empty seats says:

    correct the obsessed one cup games dont count the away team gets half the gate .pap thats the worst reply in 2013 plus ive never heard that song in my life

  122. SCOTLAND fan says:

    Re famine song,as I said it did not just take place in ireland it is also reasonable for deaths here in your own Country. Who exactly do you think caused it?????

  123. Auldheid says:

    It is the semi literate charge that gets me. Like being called a bampot by a moron.

    Integrity is a bridge too far for Mr Traynor. A concept based on ethical behaviour, not something he is familiar with. His Ditty Vacant which elicited this response

    http://celticparanoia.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/james-traynor-more-hot-air-and.html?m=1

    was the first lifting of the veil of authority and respectability with which he adorned himself.

    Since then all the remaining veils have been stripped away and what is left is not a pretty sight.

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